Incursions: Identical across all security regions with a nominal alteration in payout.

Step 1: Remove incursions from hisec

IIRC the difference is a little over 30%, which is nominal given the additional effort required to form a fleet and get ships to location. You also cannot use the same "shiny" fleets, unless you are very certain of how secure the area is, and a noticeable increase in NPC deaths will very quickly bring people to the system to check on you.

Basically if you think waiting a little while for a fleet in high sec is bad, try forming a low sec incursion fleet.

Very quick and to the point.

The changes are a start but I don't feel they really are enough to get people running vg's again. They also don't address the biggest issue, that being the ota's. OTA's are too hard for fleets other than super shiney ones. So the end result is going to be stacking OTA's in systems with very few, if any, fleet running them.

We don't need to talk multiples, we need to talk straight isk/hour. The payouts were too high, and now they're too low. Even though we do have a closed pool of allies to draw from, not everyone is available to run 23/7, especially during deployments.

Lowsec & nullsec incursions should be balanced to pay out about as much per individual as high-end solo ratting, or else everyone is just going to go hide in their sanctums with their tengus instead of coming out to socialize.

Currently, in Fountain, doing anomalies with a tengu that has fighters assigned to it can make upwards of 90m/hr. Many people who don't have a carrier have a second tengu and can make even more.

CCP: We don't care what the missions are or what flaming hoops we have to jump through to get the payouts, as long as it's balanced with other forms of income.

The magic number is between 80-90.

It's not even close to 50%.

That'd make sense if people were flying shiny fleets outside of hisec.

They complain about the reduced ISK/hr ratio that made them all decide that running incursions was no longer "fun".

If these "incursion communities" were a real thing they'd have stuck together after the nerf and moved on as a community to other things. We'd be hearing a constant flow of stories about how they came together and had fun and bonded, and now they're running a wormspace operation in a C5, or carving out a name for themselves in a quiet corner of Aridia or Syndicate,and how glad they were that the Incursions gave them the opportunity to meet and get to know each other. Instead they melted away overnight when the isk tap was turned down.

So basically you want high sec incursion income to surpass low sec again?

No.

Going by Selene's latest blog post the CSM and CCP discussed some of the real problems with Incursions (full article here: http://seleenes-sandbox.blogspot.com):



This is what CCP should be working on fixing with Incursions, particularly the last point. Either Incursions in High Sec lose CONCORD protection or High Sec should lose Incursions.

Yes, in terms of CONCORD mechanics they're largely the same thing, but in a broader sense they are not. High Sec could have Incursions which drop security to the same as Low Sec or NPC Null sec for the duration, but that would not make those Incursions identical in experience to Incursions in already existing Low or Null Sec as it's both temporary and more dynamic.

As general design philosophy I believe CCP should abandon principally defining space by the degree of NPC/game mechanic security provided, and instead think of of it terms of Player Controlled or NPC Controlled. A more pure sandbox player generated politics vs Lore based NPC politics, but neither should automatically mean more safety for the player. The idea mostly proliferated by players themselves of a near or absolutely safe High Sec should be publicly dispatched by CCP in such a way that such treachery against the spirit of Sandbox MMOs may never resurface here again. Mostly safe trade areas, fine. Safe newbie starter zones fine. However, all desirable resources, the "farms and fields" should be found in dangerous space whether that space is NPC or player controlled. They can start with Incursions!

And yet... There is less risk.